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Mr. Undisclosed · May 21, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Bad players who are willing to learn are good and will improve.

Bad players who will cry upon a single failure and think they already understand everything are bad and will continue to fail.

Eh, Tyla pretty sure the op's point was that people take the game too seriously. Sorta what you just acted like in your post

RiceCream · May 21, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Chthon

4. The person who lacks experience, knows that they lack experience, and welcomes advice. This person should never be treated with "stooooopid noob" name-calling and other such crap and should be given any advice you've got that would be helpful to their task at hand.

^^ best kind of "bad" player out there. i've adopted a few of these. some of these are now core in mid range(r900-r600) gvg guilds, some dont play any more. w/e, tehy wanted to get better and for the most part they did (not saying im any sort of guild wars guru...)

i just cant be nice to bad players who ursanway in pve land and consider themselves good players because they gimmick big titles....
i also cant be nice when i see r9/10+sway groups forming
i CAN be nice when i see warriors fail with bull's strike. nice isnt the right word.. supportively criticizing is the phrase im after. they're at least trying to get good at game. running Ursanway(pveland) Sway(haland), your skills are never going to improve and until you stop gimmicking you are going to be a bad player.

also.. buying invites to DF doesnt make you a good player

but it does look sexy when you ursanway.

Vengeful Spirit · May 21, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I always try to take the high road when dealing with players like that and try to help the players that genuinely are trying but aren't doing very well but for those that rage on everyone telling the monks there noobs because they keep dieing well i tend to ignore them unless they simply push me beyond my capacity of forgiveness

byteme! · May 21, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

I PuG on quite the occasion and in most cases when I encounter a bad player I'll do my best to guide him along. However in some instances they don't listen and would wind up face first on the pavement, in which case I would say something a long the lines of, "I told you so". After a few deaths they tend to catch on.

Kusandaa · May 21, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

I actually don't have much of a hard time with someone who asks for advice and listens. The type that goes "well here's my bar, I usually run with this but there could be ameliorations; if you want me to switch, just tell me what to bring". I have little to no problem with that type of player. Once inside an area, they are careful - they'll follow lead if not familiar with the area, if they are they'll be careful anyways.

Most chat, some don't... and some are still completely arrogant. The latters are good players, they know their stuff, but they have this arrogant, in-your-face attitude that can sometimes become annoying. Try suggesting something, for example, and they'll shoot it down right off the bat and with a pretty rude attitude.

It's the rude ones I have a hard time with. "OMFG U AGGROED THIS MOB U ****ING NOOB!!!"... then they overextend and die. "OMFG U MONKS DIDNT HEAL ME U ALL SUCK /ragequit". These people, IMHO, are probably the worse. They usually play the "I'm better than you" card and try to take lead, when they fail they think everyone else sucks. They refuse valid skill changes (hex removal, prot skills, interrupts, etc) for a given area, they blame others for their deaths when it's their own fault, and they rub their whatever ranks in your face when someone makes a mistake.

The worse? I uusally have one of or more of those players in 90% of my team. Some sound mature and do make changes, but once in explorable they turn in a-hole mode and are hard to work with.

Most of these people will take a lot of time to reply in chat unless they're about to die or have stood "too long" (2-5 mins) idle in the outpost when you're waiting for someone; they're impatient and WNT 2 GO NOW. GOGOGOGOGOG. They won't take advice, saying that they're better than you. They're also the ones to try to take lead, overextend and blame the leader/puller/monks on their deaths... Some of those will rage, most will stay and insult or grief the team, while the minority will have learned their lesson.

MagmaRed · May 21, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Bad players make the game fun to play. In PvE, you expect it when PUGing, and you just laugh at what you get to see. For example, consider a build like this that was pinged for the team.

[soul feast][animate bone minions][death nova][blood of the master][divine boon][heaven's delight][signet of devotion][resurrect]

11 Death Magic
10 Blood Magic
10 Divine Favor

Not sure on runes, but I don't think it matters much. This was a build for OGDEN. No Blood Magic skills, yet 10 attribute points in Blood Magic. Minions on a Monk. Resurrect (worst rez in game) on a Monk.

This is what makes the game fun. You get to laugh every day you PUG.

cataphract · May 21, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Oh yeah, you have to love people who think their heroes are the best thing ever. It most often happens with monk heroes. I've had situations when the pug refused my monk heroes (was playing my ele then) because the PUG monk persuaded them he and his monk heroes are the bomb. No energy management, Healing Breezes, Bane Signets and the like. I hate to throw my weight around but I had to load my monk, show off smelly guildhall title, rank the wolf and ping some sensible monk builds in order to make them listen to reason. And they did.

After our first attempt at the mission failed due to monk and his heroes having no energy and sufficient heal power. Ofcourse, the monk called me a noob and rage-quitted after the first wipe. I really like his obsi armor and chaos gloves, though.

zwei2stein · May 21, 2008, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Chton: i would bet that 1st kind bad player is usually not doing it on purpose and is more of a 4th kind (careful explanation helps, usually). Hes more of a bad player that has no idea that he is bad but is still decent human being.

Anyway, i love 4th kind of bad player because they can be helped and are fun to play with.

However, there is always risk that type 2 bad player get hands on them first and will spoil them with misinformation, creating another bad player of type 2.

Motoko Chika · May 21, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

I seriously dont care what other ppl do in this game. There are times I act all "mature" or w.e and other times when ppl ask me if I'm a 12 year old boy, which cracks me up. Its suppose to be FUN, its a GAME. I just dont let things get to me I guess cuz its funny as hell. I enjoy pugs (yes I do) and I dont usually have a problem with them. *yawn* QQ more imo.

Sol Deathgard · May 21, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Usually when I HA or GvG I turn local chat off & just gg after the match is on, win or lose. On the rare occasion that I forget to turn off local, I let the child talk his smack, then after (hopefully) we beat their team in 3 mins or less I let him know never give us insentive to kick his ass & leave it at that. Sometimes the idiot that will pm me & every other word is a cuss word talking about what they did to my mom or sister, I let them know my mom is 74 yrs old, have fun shagging an old lady, & I don't have a sister that was my brother. They usually shut up after that.

JoeKnowMo · May 21, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Bad players who will cry upon a single failure and think they already understand everything are bad and will continue to fail.

GW seems to be infested with this type of bad players who think they know it all already.

Bryant Again · May 21, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

[QUOTE=Antheus]There was consequence. Act like a jerk on persistent servers, and you'll quickly find yourself playing alone, with nobody to trade with you, nobody to group with you for that 10 person instance, nobody to take you into guild to protect you from ganking, etc...

From my experience with WoW, I can verify that this is a very accurate statement. Get some bad rep going around and you might as well transfer to another server - no one will want to play with you.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

In GW, there's no law, no consequences, no inter-dependency and on top of it, there's full anonymity.

Another solid point. In GW, the only thing you have to lose is time, and some people have a *lot* of that to spare.

enter_the_zone · May 21, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

My problem with bad players is simple. I don't care about the stupid gold or the dumb mission. I DO care that they have just wasted up to 3 hours of my life, pointlessly, because they are too stupid to understand simple principles like luring or prot monking.

These people won't get shouted at because they aren't worth the effort, I just leave and go do something else to calm down.

Believe me, the decline of PUGS was not because of heroes or because of rude people. I had stopped pugging long before NF and used henchmen for everything. Heroes simply allowed more people to not have to PUG and risk getting the possible retards in the outpost.

BodhiNightwind · May 21, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

The guy who asks for better sportsmanship is called a flame baiter.

Ironic much?

Crystal Lake · May 21, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

I agree with Sparks. There's nothing wrong with reminding players to be a little more gracious and patient. Most of the weak players are those who don't play enough. I was on a Factions mission which included a lvl 19 Assassin who died a few times. (Keep in mind one unknown 55 monk bailed at the start) Once we finished most of our group wanted to go on to the next part. The leader of the group kicked the assassin out, because he had died a few times, and he and some of the others began to make insulting remarks about him. Needless to say I left the group and joined up with the assassin to do the next part of the quest. Yes, we finished it, and with no problem too. I did give him a bit of advise with his build which he took - he was just inexperienced.

I only kicked a player out of my group one time when I was doing Heart of the Shiverpeaks quest, because the player refused to kick his heros, even after several team members and I asked him to, and explained why we needed real players and no heros. Again more of an inexperienced player who thought putting in different heros would be acceptable, but needed to learn how with work with a team.

Insulting and making fun of other players ruins the game for me. Those are the bad players IMHO.

Tyla · May 21, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Eh, Tyla pretty sure the op's point was that people take the game too seriously. Sorta what you just acted like in your post

Guild Wars is srs biznes.

Seriously though, I prefer to get the job done.
Or if I fail, I don't expect seriously bad loss.

If it is, I'm playing badly that day. It happens to me on Halo 3, CoD4 etc...

CONTINUE, FIGHT, AND CARRY ON UNTIL THE END!!!!!!!!!!

HuntMaster Avatar · May 21, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Its called elitism.

Ok I would like to start here because I don't think most people who use this word even know its meaning. So allow me to educate.

Elitism: Noun
1.practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2.consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

3.The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

4.The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
5.Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Now I hope this helps all those people who throw the word around to learn to use it correctly.

Back on topic.

I think everyone knows that the general public on almost any game is like a fishing pond, and trying to communicate with them is like casting your line and sinking your lure. Only getting bit is a bad thing on a game. On everygame I'v played online there has always been a large population of disfunctional adults and unsupervised children who act out because they can.

This leads to the question of how they live in real life, they probably don't have the best of lives to begin with, or they are simply angry people who vent online rather than beat their girlfriends or smash peoples car windows. Honestly there is no telling what causes those people to rage as they do. But it is NOT the game alone. The game is simply the final pushing point til they burst. Which leads me to believe how emotionally fragil these people really are.

People like that won't change simply to make another person they don't even know feel better. We also have people who are addicted to the game and anything they view as "wrong" will voice their opinion. Sometimes they express this in a hostile way.

There is nothing you can do to change this, But there are a few things you can do to prevent yourself from being in a situation where you are a victim of it. 1 is of course is H/H, H/H never curse you out or belittle you simply because you accidently aggroed and got party wiped 99% of the way through the mission. 2 is to turn local and team chat OFF while in a party so you dont have to hear anyones comments. 3 is to place names in the ignore section and 4 is to play with people you know won't act hostile.

I have been playing online games for a long time, somewhere around 60-100 games online total in my lifetime from the pc, xbox, playstation, not to forget lan parties. In every game there are hostile people. Its unavoidable unless you only play offline games, but that just sucks because there are some very enjoyable online games, like guildwars used to be.

We are human beings and there for flawed, we must then leave room for human error which will always accure. No one is perfect, not even in the video game world. So next time someone attacks you with hostile text or tries to belittle you with the commonly used term of Noob,Nub,Nob and weaksause just let it go.

Ask yourself this question. Who are they(the person attacking you) that you should care about what they say? Do you love them? Do you admire them? Are they friends or strangers? Most likely they are nothing to you and their words should ring empty in your ears, Do not let them affect you, do not give them that power.

And to the people who do the attacking, who often add salt to the wound let me tell you, unless its a sabature who wants you to fail in purpose, when people make mistakes they are sorry for it. They do not need a jerk to spout angry words at them which wont do any good anyways. When you speak to someone with respect they tend to listen, when you scream at someone they tend to block the words out as you seem like a loony toon with no weight to you're words. Try having more understanding and realise that they most likely did not mean to fail the mission for the party. they failed to.

People often don't change, and when they do and face the same treatment even though they put forth effort to try to do better they often become one of the hostile people. Or at the very least anti social. Hence the true decline in pugs.

Show respect and respect will be returned, Show disrespect and end up not having anyone willing to play with you.

GaladrielMoloch · May 22, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

What happens if you are like that in real life? My friends and guild mates (some who know me in RL, otherwise ventrilo) can attest to I say what's on my mind when and however well I want, if it comes across as rude oh well, that's me.

However, if anyone ever states/asks/whatever that they are new, didn't know or could they get some help, I say yes, even if I am a bit of a $%@! when doing so ^^.

But again, the number 2 type posted previously are the most annoying types.

Lest121 · May 22, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

I hate Bad Warriors, the rush, rush, rush, Over aggro because you have real monks in the party warriors.

Zesbeer · May 22, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

/who cares its just a game and if you are getting hurt because some one is calling you a noob or you mess up it dosnt matter. people shouldnt take this game so seriously it dosnt ever change anything that goes on in your life.